Is the UN Security Council still relevant?
The Inquiry
BBC
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🗓️ 28 October 2025
⏱️ 23 minutes
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Summary
In the aftermath of World War Two, the charter that founded the United Nations was signed, with the aim of preventing a third global conflict. The UN Security Council, one of six organs of the UN, has the primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security. It’s made up of 15 member countries, there are 10 rotating non-permanent members who are elected for two-year terms by members of the UN General Assembly, the body that represents all UN members. And there are five permanent members – the US, the UK, France, China and Russia; it’s these five that have veto power.
Now 80 years on, there are growing calls for the council to reflect the world of today, not only in its representation, but in the way it functions. Criticisms of this international body include abuse of the veto power, lack of permanent representation for countries which have seen more than their fair share of conflict and an inability to reach common consensus, including on how to reform the organisation from within.
So, on The Inquiry this week we’re asking, ‘Is the UN Security Council still relevant?’
Contributors: Devika Hovell, Prof International Law, London School of Economics, UK Richard Gowan, Director, UN and Multilateral Diplomacy, International Crisis Group, New York, USA Dr Samir Puri, Director, Global Governance and Security Centre, Chatham House, London, UK Mona Ali Khalil, former Senior Legal Officer, UN Office of the Legal Counsel, Co-Editor and Co-Author, ‘Empowering the UN Security Council: Reforms to Address Modern Threats’, Vienna, Austria.
Presenter: Charmaine Cozier Producer: Jill Collins Researcher: Maeve Schaffer Technical Producer: Craig Boardman Editor: Tom Bigwood
(Photo: United Nations Security Council meeting. Credit: Reuters/BBC Images)
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, Music, radio, podcasts. |
| 0:05.5 | Welcome to the inquiry from the BBC World Service. |
| 0:09.1 | I'm Charmaine Cozier. |
| 0:10.5 | Each week, one question, four expert witnesses, and an answer. |
| 0:17.5 | September 2025, New York, USA. |
| 0:22.0 | During his speech at the United Nations General Assembly, Nigeria's Vice President Kashim Shatima |
| 0:27.6 | outlines four ideas for strengthening the organisation's process for peace, development and human rights, including this one. |
| 0:36.4 | Nigeria must have a permanent city as the UN Security Council. |
| 0:39.8 | This should take place. |
| 0:44.6 | This should take place as part of a wider process of institutional reform. |
| 0:50.5 | Nigeria isn't the only country in or outside Africa bidding to join the top group of that powerful UN body, but it's an elite club. |
| 0:59.4 | Only five nations have permanent representation. It's been like that for decades. |
| 1:04.0 | The world has changed so much since then. So this week we're asking, is the UN Security Council still relevant? |
| 1:14.4 | Part 1, the world's policemen. |
| 1:18.7 | The Security Council certainly is still relevant. |
| 1:22.1 | It's a forum where the great powers can come together to discuss and debate global problems. |
| 1:27.6 | And it doesn't always succeed, but without it, we'd have no... the great powers can come together to discuss and debate global problems. |
| 1:32.7 | And it doesn't always succeed, but without it, we'd have no common table at all. |
| 1:38.8 | Deveika Hovel is Professor of International Law at the London School of Economics in the UK. |
| 1:42.6 | The Security Council very much came out of the Second World War. It grew from the then-U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt's |
| 1:46.2 | idea of the full policemen, as he called them. So the US, the UK, the USSR and China, he thought |
| 1:53.1 | were the states that could keep the peace after 1945. And France was actually added a bit later in the day |
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