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Soul Gum

Is the Self-Care Era Making Us Bad Friends?

Soul Gum

by Victoria Hutchins

Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.9560 Ratings

🗓️ 30 October 2022

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Is friendship harder than dating or are we all just a little gay? Who did friendship labels better, Aristotle or the Myspace Top 8? Was Alexander Hamilton bi or were we just more comfy with deep friend love back then? How do you make friends as an adult? Is the self care era making us bad friends? Can you love yourself well and love your friends well at the same time?


EPISODE SUMMARY


I. WHY IS MAKING FRIENDS SO HARD?(2:34)


a. no clear labels (3:22)


i. the myspace top 8 - a fleeting moment of clarity (5:47)


ii. aristotle's take on friendship labels (8:00)


b. no hallpass for jealousy (14:34)


i. alexander hamilton: bisexual or just comfy with friend love? (15:55)


c. no roadmap for initiating friendships (20:38)


d. we're all a little gay nowadays (24:05)


II. HOW DO YOU MAKE FRIENDS AS AN ADULT? (27:25)


a. using the internet (28:05)


b. get okay with pleasure-based friendships (31:00)


c. be patient (32:07)


d. emotional openness (32:56)


e. following through (34:53)


III. IS THE SELF CARE ERA MAKING US BAD FRIENDS? (36:33)


a. 2 stories about flakiness (37:53)


b. the self care over everything era (43:57)


c. how can we love ourselves and our friends well at the same time? (46:40)



SOURCES


Aristotle, Nichomachean Ethics


Glennon Doyle, Untamed


article re: Alexander Hamilton being bi: https://tinyurl.com/53328d5d


self care tweet by @kevinfarzad: https://tinyurl.com/yrddpaw6

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi, welcome back to Soulgum. Thank you for being here. I'm in my closet recording again,

0:10.1

just like last week. This is the second episode ever. It's actually kind of nice in here. I brought my

0:16.1

yoga mat and pillows, kind of dark. It's sort of like a womb, a cave. So I just edited the first episode

0:24.5

and I realized listening to it that I was sort of subconsciously talking in a phone sex voice

0:32.1

and I think I'm also doing it right now. So I wanted to clarify that I am not trying to sound sexy. I just have a really

0:41.4

crackly voice naturally and I'm trying to minimize the crackles because I feel like they're very

0:48.7

unpleasant to listen to, especially with the microphone. No disrespect to anyone in the phone sex industry, though.

0:55.5

I'm reading hunger by Roxanne Gay right now, and she used to be a phone sex operator. Did you know that?

1:00.5

I also just came back from this group meeting where I was like talking about my feelings to strangers,

1:06.6

and that sort of thing always makes me feel like I'm going to cry, and I still sort of have that feeling in my voice like I'm going to cry.

1:14.6

So sorry if I'm talking funny.

1:16.3

Okay, let's get into it.

1:17.6

So today we're going to be talking about friendship.

1:21.2

I think the cultural norms and social contracts related to friendship are fascinating and so messy and so confusing so

1:31.3

we're going to get into that we are going to dissect three things about friendship

1:36.6

specifically number one why i think friendship can be even more emotionally difficult and messy than dating.

1:47.2

Number two, how to navigate making friends as an adult.

1:50.6

And number three, whether the era we're living in right now,

1:56.6

where we're starting to reject selflessness as a virtue and we are increasingly prioritizing

2:03.6

honoring our own boundaries and emotional limits and social batteries and filling our own cup is

2:09.1

essentially making us bad friends. In other words, we're going to ask, do you have to choose between

2:15.9

being a good, reliable, supportive friend who makes your

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