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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots' Spectators' daily political podcast.

I'm Katie Bores and I'm joined by James Forsyfe and Fraser Nelson.

So the government is fighting on two fronts today.

First, when it comes to the aftermath of the protocol bill, which they announced yesterday afternoon,

and secondly, when it comes to the Rwanda policy with the first flight due to take off this evening,

James, when it comes to the Rwanda policy first, there is a suggestion today from the foreign

secretary doing the morning round that the plane will leave today to go to Rwanda.

But do we have any sense of how many people might be on it?

I think you'll be a single digit number of people.

I think at the time of recording this there are seven people currently on the on the flight.

I suspect there will be more legal challenges whether any of them succeed or not remains to be seen.

I mean, what the courts are doing is the courts are saying we're not afraid to stop the flights,

per se, but obviously each individual on the flight can appeal whether they should be on it or not.

I think in some ways, the government is embracing this Rwanda.

I think the bigger challenge for the government actually comes if the courts declare it to be legal

and the policy is actually tested against whether it works full stop because at the moment,

the government will just rail against everyone. They say it's trying to block the policy from

happening and they would say, look, we're trying to fix the problem. We can't fix the problem

because you must give us a majority so we can change the law and take on the House of Lords

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