Hey folks, Joyce Vance here. Creed and I are out with a new episode of The Insider podcast.

This week we discuss how gerrymandering in southern states is threatening voting rights.

Joining us is Doug Jones. Doug is a former senator from my home state of Alabama and a former U.S.

attorney for the Northern District of Alabama. In fact, he was my boss.

Now he's running for governor of Alabama.

Then we break down a judge's decision to throw out the criminal charges against Kilmar-Abrego-Garcia.

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So why don't you start with the beginning, why we're talking about the Voting Rights Act, what happened in Louisiana, what's happening in some of these other states?

Joyce, you want to set it up?

Yeah, I think so. I mean, we've talked about Kaleigh. Kaleigh is the gerrymandering decision that essentially says it's all good. Southern states have at it. And they have had at it.

But Alabama is a little bit of a different case because Alabama had a case called Milligan

that was in play, a case about gerrymandering. And under Milligan, Alabama was forced by the court

to add a second Black Opportun opportunity district to its maps.

And so for the first time ever after the last election, Alabama had two black Democratic members of Congress, two really exceptional people.

And then that litigation was ongoing after Calais, the legislature rushed to make new maps.

Doug, why don't you take it from there and tell us what the state of play was until this morning

when the three-judge panel made this most recent decision in Milligan?

The Milligan case is really complicated.

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