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First Things Podcast

Is Pride Dying?

First Things Podcast

First Things

Religion & Spirituality

4.6699 Ratings

🗓️ 8 July 2024

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

In the ​latest installment of the ongoing interview series with contributing editor Mark Bauerlein, Rusty Reno joins in to discuss his piece in the August/September issue of First Things, “Pride Month,” as well as Matthew Schmitz's recent piece, “The Fall of Pride.” Music by Jack Bauerlein.

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0:00.0

Rusty Reno is with us today. I presume he doesn't need any introduction to our listeners.

0:16.0

He's been on before, in fact, and as long as doing, as well as doing his own recordings.

0:22.2

We're going to talk about an entry he has in the public square.

0:25.2

Part of it derived from a piece by Matthew Schmitz on the website.

0:30.3

The entry in the public square for this month is entitled Pride Month.

0:34.7

The Schmidt's piece speaks of pride as declining. Pride is going down. The fall of pride. The

0:39.5

fall of pride. The title of his piece, yeah. Very good. We've heard of the fall of pride somewhere

0:43.8

way back in the old days. We worked on the title. How can we go with pride goes before the fall?

0:51.2

Something like that, the fall of pride, pride's fall.

0:55.0

Fall, fall, this works.

0:57.0

You begin with what you say is a striking fact.

1:00.0

It's one that came out of your immediate observation, I believe, before reading Matthew's Petz.

1:07.0

You said pride flags during this Pride month in New York City, pride flags are conspicuously absent.

1:14.6

What have you been seeing, at least relative to previous years?

1:17.6

Well, you know, I was traveling around in the first 10 days or so of June,

1:24.6

Pride Month, so-called Pride Month, and I came back and I was walking to work with my

1:31.0

little dog, Mabel, sweet little Mabel, Mentionredoxin, love of my life. And I really was very struck.

1:39.3

It's about a mile and I'm weaving my way through mid-term Manhattan and I became aware

1:45.3

like, what is going on?

1:47.0

There are no pride flags.

1:48.5

I turned the corner, big pride flag in front of St. Bartholomew's Episcopal Church.

1:53.2

Okay, well the Episcopalians, that's kind of their new religion, understood.

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