Hi, this is Mark Kermode. Thanks for downloading this Kermod on film podcast or indeed for watching us on YouTube. I'm here upstairs at the Sun Pub in Drury Lane with Jack Howard.

Hello. Jack, what are we talking about today?

We're going to be doing a change of pace today.

We're talking about a television show called Pluribus.

And I want to tell you now, what I usually say at this point is,

if you haven't seen it, don't watch this or listen to this, or do, I don't care, I'm not your dad.

But at this point is if you haven't seen it, don't watch this or listen to this, or do, I don't care, I'm not your dad. But at this point, I'm going to say, do not watch or listen to this if you haven't seen Pluribus. Do yourself a favor. Watch Pluribus. Go and watch it. It's 10 hours of your time. It's not that much. It's created by Vince Gilligan, who you will know of Breaking

Bad or Better Course Hall fame. He has made another fantastic piece of work. I do not want to be the

one to spoil it for you. But if you have seen it, enjoy our conversation. Am I right in thinking

that you came to Breaking Bad quite late? Yes, absolutely. So what happened was,

child too, you know, with the person who introduced us weirdly enough. To two great things.

The two great things. Exactly. Exactly. He had watched Breaking Bad. I think we had like maybe,

somehow I'd acquired a box set of it or something.

Maybe as I was doing the culture shows.

Anyway, he had watched it and just loved it.

And then I think it was probably lockdown.

Oh, wow, you came to it very late then.

Really late, really, really late.

And we started watching it and we watched the whole thing and absolutely loved it.

And I had, you know, I hadn't been interested at all in it, although weirdly enough, I'd been going to screenings at whichever, whichever studio it was that was making it.

And they'd had the poster of him in the pants

with the gun and the, you know, for age. I'm not interested in that at all. Anyway, so then we

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