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It's the Starting Strength Jim's podcast with your host, Ray Gillingwater.

All right. We're here today with Chris Reese. Chris is a doctor of physical therapy. He's a

clinician. He is an apprentice coach at Starting Strength

Cincinnati under Luke Schroeder. I wanted to talk to Chris because he sent me a nice email.

The subject of that email was comment from the lovers, which is unusual. We usually get comments

from the haters, but we like the lover comments too. They're both in a turn.

Chris was telling me that the podcast that I did with Ena,

which will link up here about postmenopausal women,

helped get his mom under the bar.

So that was the thing that sparked this conversation.

And then generally,

I'm interested in talking to apprentice coaches and coaches at the gyms, especially talented, educated ones like Chris.

I mean, the fact that we have a guy with a PhD as an apprentice at a starting strength gym who's testing out in August to become an SSC, I think speaks volumes about the system that we've built. And Chris, I wanted to get

your point of view on starting strength. I wanted to get your point of view on physical therapy.

And why don't I start by extracting that from you by asking a question to maybe raise your

blood pressure or the blood pressure of other PTs watching this,

which is, do you agree with Mark Ripatow's assessment that physical therapy may be fraud?

And that's a general question. I'm not referring to your specific practice. I don't, I assume you're

not a fraudster. Um, but, but do you, do you understand his, his question when he asks, is PT fraud? I would love to hear

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