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Is our tech made by forced labor in China?

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Society & Culture, Science, Technology

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 12 March 2020

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Forced labor performed by Uighur Muslims in China may be in the tech products we use every day. Featuring Darren Byler @dtbyler Rushan Abbas @rushan614 Bethany Allen-Ebrahimian @BethanyAllenEbr Links The report: https://www.aspi.org.au/report/uyghurs-sale NYT profile of Rushan Abbas: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/18/world/asia/uighur-muslims-china-detainment.html Axios: https://www.axios.com/uighur-forced-labor-us-companies-china-7d32a600-7561-45c8-9f19-37ee306c24cd.html Host: SigalSamuel @sigalsamuel About Recode by Vox: Recode by Vox helps you understand how tech is changing the world — and changing us. Follow Us: Newsletter: Recode Daily Twitter: @Recode Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:17.0

Hi, I'm Siegel Samuel, filling in for Ariel Jim Ross. I'm a staff writer for Vox and I focus on technology and how it affects vulnerable populations. The other day I was doing some reading on my iPhone, as one does, and I clicked on to a new report. The title was Weigurs for sale.

0:26.0

Weigurs are a minority ethnic group in China. They're mostly Muslim, and they're concentrated in a

0:34.3

northwestern region called Xinjiang. Three years ago, China started sending Wiggers

0:39.8

to internment camps en masse.

0:42.8

I'm talking about an estimated 1 million people.

0:46.4

The new report was released by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute.

0:51.0

It says that more than 80,000 Uyghurs have been transferred to factories in China,

0:55.0

where they're performing what likely amounts to forced labor.

0:59.0

And according to the report, these factories are in the supply chain of 83 major companies,

1:05.8

including tech giants like Microsoft, Amazon, and Apple.

1:10.2

In fact, the report suggested that the selfie cameras in the iPhone 8 and iPhone 10 may be made using Uyghur forced labor.

1:19.0

After reading that, I looked down at the iPhone 8 in my hand and thought, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

1:30.7

Am I complicit enforced labor?

1:34.5

Are we all complicit?

1:36.0

And what should we be doing as governments, tech companies, individual consumers,

1:41.2

to make sure the tech products we all love and use every day aren't costing somebody else their freedom.

1:50.0

This is reset. We're going to start with a little background on the Uyghur people themselves.

2:03.0

And for that, I talked to Darren Biler, an anthropologist at the University of Colorado at Boulder.

2:08.4

He studies surveillance systems in China.

2:11.1

I asked him why China has been targeting Uyghur people in particular.

2:15.0

The Uyghur homeland in northwest China is home to around 20% of China's natural gas and oil,

2:22.0

even a larger percentage of coal, and around 84% of Chinese cotton.

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