What's up everybody?

Welcome into the next past podcast.

I'm Phil Perry.

Got a great episode for you this week.

We're bringing in our friend Rob Nikovich, former Patriots linebacker. Do it all player really for the Patriots for the better

part of a decade here. You know him. You love him. He's great on Mack Jones. He's great on

the changes that this Patriots offense has gone through over the course of maybe even just the last

week or so here. And whether he likes them or not, we play a little game that I just made up on the spot called thumbs up or thumbs down. But we give you more than that because this is an audio medium. And so we need to do more than just show the camera our thumbs. Okay. So we're giving that to you. We're also giving you the Patriots defensive game plan on how to defend Lamar Jackson.

So maybe don't share it with your friends from Baltimore, but Rob Nickovich has some thoughts

there as well. Let's get right to our interview with Nico. Here he is. All right, there he is.

Our guy, fully bearded flannel on.

We're going to have some fun, talk some football with Rob Nankovitch here.

Rob, the conversation has been pretty interesting when it comes to your guy, Mac Jones.

This has become basically a Mac Jones podcast here, the next Pat's podcast.

So we have had a lot of takes on Mac Jones over the last, I don't know, six months or so,

even more than that.

Where are you right now on Mac Jones?

Is he still the guy for the Patriots to build around?

Yes, I do believe that he is still the guy.

I'm kind of taking everything that I'm watching with a grain of salt, considering

I don't know if they necessarily put him in a great position this offseason with,

you have to understand.

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