And I think this was kind of a mutual admiration society.

I think they fueled each other.

Welcome to the global phenomenon, surviving the survivor,

where we're all just trying to survive in a rough world.

What's up, S.S. Nation, and welcome to another episode of Surviving the Survivor,

the podcast that promises to bring you the very best guess in true crime and this is a show so good it happens every week and it's called

Great Scott. It's your true crime fill with our best

guests America's most respected detective Phil Waters. He spent decades in law enforcement becoming an

expert at obtaining criminal confessions, spending 23 years as a homicide

detective in the Houston PD. He investigated more than 400 homicide cases.

He is also a marine. He's also the owner of Kindred Spirits Investigations.

He also starred in a show called The Interrogator.

And then you've got Agent Scott Duffy who... called the interrogator.

And then you've got Agent Scott Duffy,

who every week comes to us with a new microphone or headset

or combination, and this is a schnazia so far, and he is the director of Wilmington University's Criminal Justice Institute.

Scott is a retired FBI agent out of Delaware, he worked gangs, bank robberies, the fugitive task force, all the cool stuff, the tough stuff, the hard stuff.

And before that, five and a half years is a Pennsylvania police officer and we've got

Astra saying hey what's up STS Nation of course you can't help but notice

Phil's new Hawaiian shirt Phil those are guitars. They are about it. What did you get that?

My, our trip to Hawaii, our regular trip that year my son was big into playing guitars and the

specialty shirt at Helo Hattie's aloha shirt was. So in his honor I bought my guitar aloha shirt that has

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