Does it seem scary to talk about race? How is racial tension similar to an uncomfortable Thanksgiving dinner? And what if the thing that would make a difference is much closer than we could imagine? Recently I learned a valuable lesson: that I could actually talk to my black friends about their experiences instead of making assumptions and relying on the media or some idealogical group to tell me what to say, think, or do. Having these individual conversations has been revelatory for many reasons — one of which was realizing again how much simply being curious and paying attention could have a huge impact. I learned that it was safe to ask questions and to simply listen. That I wouldn’t be attacked because I was white or if I didn’t get it politically correct. One of the conversations that cracked my world open was with my friend, Mark Palmer. He’s an author and corporate leadership consultant, and even though we’ve known each other for many years, I’ve never asked him about his experience as a black man because it didn’t feel comfortable or safe. I’m glad that I finally did. After that first conversation I asked him if he would be willing to record another one where we could explore this topic a bit further. I didn’t know what to expect, but I’m glad we managed to share so many laughs along the way. Enjoy. In this interview: Is it safe to talk about race? The media being a funhouse mirror version of reality The importance of psychological safety The importance of humanizing race instead of making it about groups The fear of “not getting it right” Plus: The difference between anger and aggression “Anger can’t be the only voice in the room.” When trying to “fix” something gets in the way Why listening is a superpower Why it’s okay to faceplant You don't have to settle. Click here to learn the same mindset principles that Tripp Lanier uses with his coaching clients — including Navy SEALs, executives, and entrepreneurs. The Daily Toolkit is available for immediate download. https://www.thenewmanpodcast.com/ This Book Will Make You Dangerous is a swift kick in the ass that will make you laugh out loud. It’s a practical guide to play for what we truly want, to get over ourselves, and have a ton of fun along the way.