You are listening to Unbelievable, the show that aims to get you thinking.

I'm Ruth Jackson and today we're revisiting a unique episode from the history of Unbelievable

where the otherwise conflict of verse Justin Briley swapped the moderator's seed to take

part in a debate himself.

In 2019, in front of a live audience at Oxford University, Justin debated the well-known

atheist YouTuber Stephen Woodford, also known as rationality rules, on the topic is it rational

to be a Christian.

So without further ado, let's join their debate.

Thank you so much for both of you and the guys.

Firstly, why don't we stop when you're steaming?

Tell us a bit about yourself, who you are, away from what you do.

Sure, my name is Stephen Woodford, come from the Isle of White, so I've got many fingers.

Basically, all my life have been interested in existential questions.

I wanted to know why we're here, what's our purpose, because what could be more important,

and if we have a life after this, then that matters probably more than our life here.

And so what I've done is I've jointly tried to pursue wherever the truth of these answers lie,

and I have found that no religion holds those answers, and that we are simply an evolved ape,

and there is, as I would say, a grander in this view of life, but it seems that a lot of people

struggle to see it as I do.

Thank you so much.

How did you get into doing what you do nowadays, YouTube and stuff like that, what's

what most of the things you used to get involved in that?

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