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I'm Dave Ramsey, your host, with over 30 years of experience leading in the trenches,

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The number's 844-944-1070. That's 844-944-1070. John is with us in Austin, Texas. Hey, John, how are you?

Hey, Dave. I'm doing good, man. I am the owner of a fabrication company based in Austin,

Texas. We have 14 full-time employees, and we did around 3.5 million in revenue last year.

Good for you. Thank you. Thank you. We're consistently running into space limitations in our

current shop, and it's beginning to restrict our ability to take on more work.

My question for you is I'm wondering at what point does it make sense for us to stop leasing and to start considering purchasing a commercial property.

Number one, at the point you can pay cash, which I'm guessing you can't.

We cannot currently pay cash, but we can pay a decent amount right now.

That would be the only way I would do it, number one.

Number two, when you start buying real estate that your business is operating in, you're

now in two businesses, the real estate business and the business that you're in, the fabrication

business.

And so I own the building that we're in, and I owned the last building that we're in, and I

still own it.

It's full of tenants now.

The problem will be when you outgrow the next one. If you go buy something twice as big as you

have now, and you look up in a few years and you're back in the same situation, now your real

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