Welcome to Betrayal Trauma Recovery, BTR.org. I'm Anne. I'm sure you remember what it was like when you were

searching for help, maybe for your husband, hoping to find the right program or therapist. That's why I started

podcasting. I supported my husband through seven years of pornography addiction recovery and not one

therapist during that time told me I was experiencing emotional

and psychological abuse and sexual coercion. I didn't want any other woman on the planet to be in

the dark. If you're like the majority of my listeners, you're experiencing the type of abuse

that's invisible and difficult to wrap your head around. Your husband is using porn or having

affairs or lying to you, and you're getting the same bad advice about how to improve communication

or your relationship. If you need support from women who totally understand, check out our daily

group session schedule at BTR.org slash group. We'd love to see you in a session today. One simple, anonymous way to help spread the word

is to click, follow, or subscribe to the Betrayal Trauma Recovery podcast on your favorite podcasting

app. While you're there, every five-star rating helps make this podcast more visible and will

help save other women from getting the wrong kind of help, like a couple

program that will make this type of abuse worse. For those of you who follow or subscribe to this

podcast, thank you so much. Your support means so much to me. I have Dr. Omar-Munwala with us today,

and we're going to jump right in. So on page 10 of your white paper, you say the ongoing behaviors and

conditions that take place during the covert phase cause serious psychological, emotional,

and relational trauma. You talk about what that can cause, but this is during the covert phase.

I, of course, speak in a gender segregated way on my podcast because we only help women who

have been abused by men at betrayal trauma recovery, not saying that women can't be abusers.

But this covert phase, the woman doesn't know what's happening, right? She doesn't understand

that she's actually being abused, but it can still cause her serious psychological,

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