Is Hip-Hop Still Fun? Plus the DNC’s Autopsy Report and “Dr.” Cheyenne Bryant’s Alleged Title

Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay

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Society & Culture

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🗓️ 22 May 2026

⏱️ 124 minutes

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Van and Rachel react to the results of this week’s primary races and the release of the DNC Autopsy report of the 2024 election. Plus Chelsea Handler on racist jokes, Cheyenne Bryant’s doctoral backlash, and Michelle Obama on MAGA. (0:00) Intro (0:18) Is Hip-Hop still fun? (15:47) Primary election reactions (28:10) The DNC’s 2024 election autopsy (51:04) Chelsea Handler, race and roasts (1:10:13) “Dr.” Cheyenne Bryant (1:29:08) Michelle Obama on the MAGA movement (1:52:42) Trump’s J6 “slush fund” Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Jade Whaley Social Producer: Bernard Moore Video Supervision: Chris Thomas and Jacob Cornett Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors.
0:10.2	What is up?
0:11.4	Carl-Earon is on, is Ivan Lathin Jr.
0:13.2	And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay.
0:14.6	Before we get into the show, I want to ask you a question.
0:18.7	Is hip-hop fun anymore?
0:24.3	I'm going to assume that you're basing this off of the Drake conversation. I think, okay, so it can be yes. But when we litigated, which we were
0:35.5	totally expecting to do the moment Iceman came out, we knew we were going to do this. It takes the fun out of it. You can't just enjoy the music to enjoy it, but also argue that dropping three albums at one time does not make me want to sit back and enjoy the music. It feels like a task. It's too much. Sensory overload. But yeah, like, okay, I'm assuming your answer is no.
0:57.1	When is the last time you enjoyed hip hop?
1:00.9	I thought that the beef was fun.
1:03.2	The beef was fun.
1:05.0	The beef was fun.
1:07.0	I guess what I'm saying is it felt like fun at the time, but I don't know if it was fun.
1:15.8	There's something different than fun when mess is involved.
1:22.1	It might have been thrilling.
1:23.7	Oh, good word.
1:26.2	Might have been exciting, but I don't know if fun.
1:28.7	Fun used to be like, I don't know,
1:32.6	fun was when shit dropped in the 2010s when it dropped,
1:35.7	and everybody was having fucking.
1:37.8	Like, remember when 50 and Kanye went against each other?
1:42.6	Fun.
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