Is Governor Josh Shapiro the Future of America?
Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso
Higher Ground
4.8 • 1.5K Ratings
🗓️ 22 March 2026
⏱️ 89 minutes
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Summary
A year after the attack on the Governor’s residence, Josh Shapiro says he and his family are “not afraid.” Their spirit, not broken but strengthened by the firebombing.
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We begin with the anniversary of the arson attack, his Pennsylvania upbringing as depicted in Where We Keep the Light, his childhood dream to become an NBA player, and how he pulled a Lloyd Dobler to win back his high school sweetheart and future wife, Lori. Then, we unpack the evolution of his views on Israel-Palestine, why the Governor opposed calls to defund the police after the murder of George Floyd, and how his guiding principle—to get shit done—shapes his leadership.
On the back-half, we talk about the emotional toll of public office, the parallels between his work as Attorney General, prosecuting clergy sexual-abuse cases, and the Epstein cover-ups today, the VP vetting process that catapulted him onto the national stage, and the future of the Democratic party. To close, we talk about his relationship to Senator Fetterman, the influence of President Obama, and the Governor’s campaign for re-election this November.
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| 0:00.0 | This is Talk Easy. I'm Stan Forgoso. Welcome to the show. |
| 0:36.1 | Today, the governor of Pennsylvania, Josh Shapiro. |
| 0:39.0 | Almost exactly a year ago to the date, |
| 0:42.2 | just hours after observing the first night of Passover, |
| 0:45.9 | an arsonist firebombed the governor's residence in Harrisburg. |
| 0:48.4 | Shapiro, his wife and their children, |
| 0:50.3 | thankfully escaped on harm, |
| 0:53.7 | but the emotional aftermath, the wreckage of that night. It stayed with him. In the opening |
| 0:56.5 | pages of Shapiro's new memoir, Where We Keep the Light, he describes the attack in intimate detail. |
| 1:03.2 | As I looked around at the destruction before me, he writes, I couldn't help but think of how |
| 1:08.1 | everything was a few hours earlier, as we recounted the story of our ancestors escaping bondage thousands of years ago. |
| 1:16.0 | During the Trump era, political violence has become an increasingly urgent issue. |
| 1:21.2 | Couple that with the rise in anti-Semitism, and it becomes clear why Governor Shapiro, a proud man of faith, found himself in the |
| 1:29.3 | crosshairs of an unwell arsonist. Cody Balmer has since pleaded guilty to attempted murder, and will |
| 1:35.3 | serve a total sentence of 25 to 50 years in prison. Shapiro has spent much of his life in public |
| 1:41.5 | office, first as a state representative, then as Montgomery |
| 1:44.8 | County Commissioner, and finally as Pennsylvania's Attorney General before becoming the state's |
| 1:50.1 | governor. During the 2024 election, you may remember him being thrust onto the national stage |
| 1:56.0 | while being vetted as a potential running mate for Vice President Kamala Harris. The process included persistent |
| 2:02.0 | questioning of his views on everything from Israel-Palestine to the handling of COVID, |
| 2:07.5 | to policing in the wake of George Floyd. In the end, Harris selected Governor Tim Walz, |
| 2:13.2 | ultimately losing the state of Pennsylvania to Donald Trump by 120,000 votes. |
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