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Music Welcome back to Until Saturday.

I'm Ari Wasserman, joined by my esteemed colleague, Max Olson, who drops a bomb in the summer every year, which is a huge story about re-ranking

classes. The look on your face, you didn't know where I was going with that, but it's always

I was worried we were about to like talk realignment because it's like, we're hitting that point in

June now where it's like, oh God, is that about to wreck our summer again? No, I don't think it is. But you do one of the staple pieces at the athletic, which is looking back at a previous

recruiting class, seeing how the players produce and then re-ranking them based on which teams

actually won the class. You did the most recent class, which was 2020, and identified and examined which programs identified,

developed, and retained their talent the best. We're going to get deep into that. I also got a

mailbag question earlier in the week that put me into a pretzel. The question was, what do you

think will be harder to duplicate in the future, winning a national championship with the Michigan blueprint from last year, or winning it all in the future without taking a single transfer like Georgia did two years ago. If you're a Clemson fan and your ears went up, we're going to get to that here shortly. But Max, how are we doing today? It's good to see you. Good to be here, Ari. We're back, baby. It's good to see you, Carl.

I'm good, man. I'm good. How are you doing? You're looking good. I know. After this, I'm going to go take a walk, maybe put the headphones on and try to get those 10,000 steps in doing pretty good. I like it. But we have a really interesting show. I think a lot of philosophical discussions, and I think that your story leads really well into the second concept, which is looking at who actually developed and evaluated the best. And then how do you do that in the future to win a national championship in this new world of college football? Last year's national championship game featured two teams that I never would have thought in previous years had a chance or even a shot in hell and getting at that

point. And then when Michigan won the national championship, which makes me wonder, is that

the beginning of a trend or was that a weird year? We're going to get into all that.

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