Welcome everybody to the Mona Charin Show. I am delighted to be joined today by Greg Lukianoff,

who is the author of many wonderful books that have been on my shelf for a long time,

and one of the most recent of which I want to talk about today. But just so you know,

Greg heads the fire, the foundation for individual rights and expression. And he is the co-author

of two books that are probably at this point,

part of the, considered part of the national conversation.

The first one was called the coddling of the American Mind,

which he co-wrote with Jonathan Haidt.

And the most recent one, and the main focus of our podcast podcast today was called the canceling of the American mind that he co-wrote with Ricky Schlaught.

So welcome very much, Greg.

Thanks for being here.

Thanks, Bono.

Yeah, and the paperback is coming out on the 29th of April.

We push it back so far, partially because we didn't want to be anywhere near the election or the inauguration, because we knew things would be crazy.

Sure.

But, of course, things are still crazy.

Exactly.

I'm afraid we're living in an era when there isn't any non-crazy window.

I've been saying I missed dull moments. Oh my gosh. Yes. Okay.

So let's begin with a little bit of introduction about you. So you are a lawyer and you started out your

legal career by interning at the American Civil Liberties Union, right?

Yeah.

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