"Is Fiction Going Woke?" with Kat Rosenfield
Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps
Josh Szeps
4.5 • 905 Ratings
🗓️ 25 July 2021
⏱️ 73 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | G'day, humans. |
| 0:01.9 | On the show this week, a feminist, badass culture, critic, par excellence, extraordinaire. |
| 0:08.4 | Kat Rosenfield, she's a freelance pop culture, writer, political writer, an author. |
| 0:15.5 | She's written in the books Amelia Ann is Dead and Gone and Inland. |
| 0:19.9 | The first of those books was nominated for an Edgar |
| 0:23.2 | Award. I don't know what an Edgar Award is. Do you know what an Edgar Award is? I would humbly |
| 0:28.4 | suggest that the board at the Edgers consider renaming the Edgar Award, because it's |
| 0:36.4 | probably quite prestigious. I mean, she wouldn't include it in her bio if it wasn't quite prestigious. |
| 0:41.4 | But when you say to someone, oh, I've been nominated for an Edgar, it just doesn't have the Gravitas or the ring that I think a prestigious award deserves. |
| 0:50.8 | Nonetheless, who am I to tell the board of the Edgers how they should run their own award ceremony? Cat is a delightful person to follow on Twitter, delightful person to read |
| 0:59.7 | in places like Tablet Magazine and Wired and Vulture Entertainment Weekly, Playboy. Not that I've |
| 1:05.2 | read her in Playboy. I haven't. Actually, I have read it because I only read it for the articles. |
| 1:11.4 | Boom Tish. She's been published in Us Weekly. |
| 1:14.2 | She basically, her remit has wandered from cultural criticism to what it means to be a woman in the 21st century to cancel culture and those sorts of things. |
| 1:25.1 | And this is a suitably, aptly meandering conversation |
| 1:29.4 | that she has with me where we touch on all of those things. I won't preface it too much, |
| 1:33.4 | but I do hope you enjoy and follow and read the one and only, Cat Rosenfield. I'm just leafing through your old articles. |
| 1:51.4 | And I think I fell in love with you with the article called The Birth of the Cool |
| 1:54.6 | Guy a couple of years ago about performative feminism amongst dude bros. |
| 2:01.6 | Oh gosh, yeah. |
| 2:03.6 | It's been a while since I wrote that piece, but it's close to my heart still. |
| 2:07.6 | I don't think that the phenomenon I observed has ceased to be a thing. |
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