You are listening to the War on the Rocks podcast on Strategy, Defense and Foreign Affairs.

My name is Ryan Evans, I'm the CEO of War in the Rocks, and in this episode we tackle all things

cyber, or at least cyber operations, cyber war, whatever you want to call it.

That's what this episode's about.

We got a little something for everyone, everything from how the great powers like Russia and China

operate in cyberspace,

to the big policy questions for the United States,

and even some international relations theory

thrown in for good measure.

Enjoy the show.

Okay, I'm Fierna Cunningham. I'm an assistant professor of political science and international affairs at the George Washington University.

I'm Erica Borgard. I'm assistant professor at the Army Cyber

Institute at West Point. I'm also currently serving as a senior director and lead

for Task Force One on the Cyber Space Solarium Commission and my views that I'm expressing here today are personal.

I'm Ben Buchanan. I'm assistant teaching professor at Georgetown University School of Foreign Service.

And I should say that both Viana and Ben at Georgetown University School of Foreign Service.

And I should say that both Fiona and Ben

are veterans of the War on the Rocks Podcast,

although welcome to the show, Erica.

This is your first time, hopefully not your last.

First question, do you all feel stupid for studying cyber when everyone's focused on AI now?

Do you like just feel you made horrible career choices?

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