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Good Guy / Bad Guy

Is Charles Oliveira the GOAT? + Jon Jones vs Alex Pereira next!

Good Guy / Bad Guy

ESPN Radio

Sports

4.42.7K Ratings

🗓️ 13 October 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

On this episode of Good Guy/ Bad Guy…Is Charles Oliveira the Greatest Brazilian MMA Fighter of all time? After adding to his long list of accolades finishing Mateusz Gamrot in Brazil…should we call him the greatest to ever do it? And could Oliveira be the next BMF? It’s the callout heard around the world and Max Holloway says he’s down! But do the guys want to see that matchup? Then, José Aldo, the King of Rio lays down his gloves…again. And the Good Guy is OVER it! Plus, it’s official Alex Pereira wants to fight Jon Jones at Heavyweight.  You do NOT want to miss what DC and Chael have to say about the callout that could setup the biggest Super Fight in UFC history! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

If he walks out in Sao Paulo, if they go to Sao Paulo, if he does a retirement ceremony again

0:07.0

when he goes and puts his gloves, I'm throwing something into my TV.

0:10.0

I can't do it again, Jail.

0:11.0

What's happening, guys? You are in luck. Another episode of Good Guy, Bad Guy. I'm

0:24.2

Chale. He's Daniel. We got a lot to get to, partner. Where do you want to begin?

0:28.5

Hey, bro. Charles Olavera did it again, Chale. Goes to Brazil and completely dominates Mattes Gammrot.

0:36.9

Hey, Gamrod was celebrating.

0:38.5

He took him down.

0:39.5

Hey, Gamrod was celebrating and happy when he got the fight.

0:42.8

Sometimes you celebrate some stuff that you really don't want, dog.

0:46.1

Chill.

0:47.3

I was so hard on Olavera about coming back so soon after the knockout against

0:53.6

Ilya, chill. I got to eat crow, my brother. Charles O'Levara. about coming back so soon after the knockout against Iliot to pour ya

0:55.0

chill I gotta eat crow my brother Charles Olavera got hit by gamut didn't matter

1:01.0

Charles Olavera walked him down took him down completely dominated him on the ground

1:05.0

and got a submission dude how impressive was Charles O'lavera this weekend

1:10.0

I've got to know him on a personal level just recently, like four and five months ago. And Daniel, he's different. I mean, when he comes out and he says something in the media, he's not cutting promos. He's not trying to build hype. He started talking about this over a week ago. When he didn't have an opponent, he said, I don't care who the opponent is.

1:28.7

Everybody says they don't care the opponent is. They all care who the opponent is. He didn't care who the opponent was. Gamrod is a terrible matchup for Charles Holmberg. By the way, he goes out. And what he really wanted to do was to perform in front of his own people. That was his biggest deal. There is no such thing as a home field advantage in MMA.

1:45.9

It's true in football.

1:47.3

It's not true in MMA. Nobody rises to the occasion, not like this. Plus he's coming off that knockout. We saw this from Volcanowski. If you come back too quickly after a knockout, it's a tremendous problem. Charles said, I don't care anything about this. I'm not thinking about retirement. I'm not thinking about anything but get my belt back. I'll do whatever it takes. These aren't just words when he says them. He's really letting you know how he feels. It turns out Charles Olivera is a straight up badass. Yeah, he is. And he's the best, Shale. That's one of the things about Oliverer. like he's one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. He's an absolute killer, right?

2:20.3

But when he's the best shale. That's one of the things about Oliver, like, he's one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. He's an absolute killer, right? But when he's outside the octon, he's sweet. He's very giving. Like, he doesn't, like, hold anything back, speaks to you clearly. He's the man. But I was like, yo, I'm not on you about fighting. I'm on you in terms of concern.

2:35.4

There was no reason to be concerned for Charles Dubronk's Olivera.

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