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Honestly with Bari Weiss

Is Banning TikTok a Mistake? A Debate.

Honestly with Bari Weiss

The Free Press

Society & Culture, News

4.67.8K Ratings

🗓️ 26 April 2024

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

President Biden just signed into law a bill forcing the sale of TikTok by its Chinese parent ByteDance—or else face an outright ban. The measure was included in a bill providing a $95.3 billion foreign aid package for Israel, Ukraine, and Taiwan.  Proponents of the bill cite privacy and national security concerns. TikTok, like all social media giants, collects piles of user data—and if requested by the Chinese Communist Party, ByteDance is obligated by law to share that user information. Critics also worry about political influence operations on the platform—a dictatorial foreign adversary turning our kids into little Manchurian candidates. Opponents of the bill argue that forcing a TikTok sale under the threat of a ban is a blow to users’ free speech rights and represents an overreach of government authority. They insist that the government should not dictate which apps Americans can use, especially on opaque grounds of national security.  Today, a debate: Is American national security at risk from an Orwellian app ultimately controlled by a totalitarian regime? Or is this just McCarthyism in digital form, a government-created moral panic fueled by dubious threats of misinformation?  Arguing that the TikTok bill is a logical extension of our current laws—and a necessary countermeasure to authoritarian meddling—is Geoffrey Cain. Cain is the author of The Perfect Police State and senior fellow at the National Security Institute of George Mason University.  On the other side, arguing that the bill is a dangerous overreach justified by flimsy evidence of an alleged threat, is Walter Kirn. Kirn is a novelist, Free Press contributor, editor-at-large of County Highway, and co-host of the podcast America This Week.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm Michael Moynihan and this is honestly.

0:02.8

This morning the clock begins ticking down for Tik-Tock after the Senate last night passed a bill giving

0:09.3

the social media platforms Chinese parent company an ultimatum, sell the app or be banned in the US.

0:17.0

President Biden just signed into law a bill forcing the sale of Tik-Tock by its Chinese

0:21.2

parent company, Bight Dance.

0:23.0

Those in favor say I?

0:25.5

Or face an outright ban.

0:27.5

Tic-Toc is a major foreign threat.

0:31.1

The bill we are passing today puts an end to that.

0:34.0

Jipcock, 170 million Americans a day, 90 minutes a day.

0:38.0

Right. That's frankly more than the power of eyes that your network reaches on a daily basis and that

0:45.3

information and many young people on Tik-talk get their news. The idea that we

0:50.8

would give the Communist Party this much of a propaganda tool as well as...

0:55.0

Proponents of the bill cite privacy and national security concerns.

0:59.0

Tic-talk, like all social media giants, flex piles of user data.

1:03.2

And if requested by the Chinese Communist Party, Bightance is obligated by law to share user

1:08.3

information.

1:10.3

Critics also worry about political influence operations on the platform,

1:13.2

a dictatorial foreign adversary turning our kids into little Manchurian candidates.

1:18.4

However, opponents of the bill argue that forcing a Tik-Toc sale, under threat of a ban is a blow to users free speech rights.

1:25.6

Censoring and trampling on the civil liberties of 150 million Americans who use Tik-Tok every day isn't the answer.

1:32.2

And represent an overreach of government

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