It's the argument I'm Jane Koster.

The great divide in American politics shows no sign of closing.

We are a very divided polarized country right now.

We must be honest with each other and with ourselves.

Too much of what's happening in our country today is not normal.

I don't know if you know this, but America and Americans feel pretty divided right now.

Over our politics, over our culture, over what we eat and how we worship and what we do

in our free time and even what we watch on TV.

And according to some people, all that division might lead to a new quote unquote civil war.

But whenever we use terms like that, terms that have meant something very specific in the

past, I'm curious about what we actually mean.

And in the wake of January 6th, should we really be worried about just how far political

violence is going to go?

What are my guests today?

I think there's fire behind the rhetorical smoke.

Tim Elberta is a staff writer at The Atlantic.

And in August, she made the case that the FBI raid on Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate was a

chipping point.

He argues that if some mega Republicans are looking for reasons to rise up against the government,

the raid might just give them one.

Not only are there no guardrails to sort of disincentivize the bad behavior, but there is

every incentive, every reward pointing towards extremism.

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