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Now, in late July, we had Blake Lemoyne on the show. He is, of course, the Google engineer who believed the chatbot that he was speaking with Lambda was sentient.

This week, we're going to bring on a different perspective. Gary Marcus is the author of rebooting AI. He's one of the most influential voices in the AI field, the founder of Geometric Intelligence,

which was acquired by Uber. And he wrote that Le Moyne's perspective was nonsense on stilts,

to quote his post on substack word for word.

So we're going to get into that.

We're going to talk a little bit about what you can actually do with the Lambda technology, why he doesn't think of sentience, what it might take, you know, to actually get to sentience, what that actually means, different perspective than Blake had.

And of course, we'll go into the state of AI

today because it does seem like the field is booming and it'll be fun to discuss what is happening

in it with Gary and maybe hear a little bit of a different perspective than you hear typically.

So with that, I want to welcome Gary to the show. Welcome, Gary. Thanks a lot for having me.

Thanks for being here. I definitely want to get into the Lomoyne stuff. People who listen to the show,

you know, basically listen to an hour and a half of him, you know, speak about his interactions with Lambda,

with me. And I thought it was pretty fascinating. Obviously, the conversation doesn't end there.

But before we get there, I'm kind of curious. Last week, there was this really interesting situation at a Colorado

State Fair where this guy, Jason M. Allen, entered an AI drawn painting into the art contest

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