Irshad Manji on Understanding Each Other in Turbulent Times

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

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4.6 • 907 Ratings

🗓️ 28 June 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Yascha Mounk and Irshad Manji also discuss how to have dialogue with ideological opponents. Irshad Manji is the founder of Moral Courage College, which equips people worldwide to turn heated issues into healthy conversations and sustained teamwork. Her latest book is Don’t Label Me: How to Do Diversity Without Inflaming the Culture Wars. In this week’s episode, Yascha Mounk and Irshad Manji discuss how it feels to become a U.S. citizen during turbulent times, how to have conversations about controversial topics without being canceled, and how to resist the temptation of being right about everything. Polarization is at an all-time high. It can feel daunting—perhaps even misguided—to engage in meaningful dialogue with those holding starkly different views. What does it mean to champion pluralism in such a moment? Persuasion’s series on the future of pluralism, generously supported by the Arthur Vining Davis Foundations, features longform essays and podcast interviews that make the case for civic dialogue and highlight inspiring examples of it in practice. You can find the full series here. Podcast production by Jack Shields and Leonora Barclay. Connect with us! ⁠Spotify⁠ | ⁠Apple⁠ | ⁠Google⁠ X: ⁠@Yascha_Mounk⁠ & ⁠@JoinPersuasion⁠ YouTube: ⁠Yascha Mounk⁠, ⁠Persuasion⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:35.4	And I have certainly felt those dopamine hits and, you know, gotten shy off of
0:40.1	them in my younger years. I don't think, Yasha, for me, it was a matter of just growing older. I actually
0:49.9	suffered mentally and physically. My health dramatically declined as a result of my insistence
0:59.4	on clinging to being right. And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.
1:13.6	My guest today is Irshad Manjee. Irshad, cut her teeth in public discourse with a set of really contentious debates in which
1:19.1	she upheld a liberal interpretation of Islam often under a lot of pressure and criticism.
1:26.5	She is an author who has written most recently,
1:29.6	the book Don't Label Me, and she is the founder of the Moral Courage Project. In all of this work,
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