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The Good Fight

Francis Fukuyama on War in the Middle East

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.6907 Ratings

🗓️ 25 June 2025

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

Francis Fukuyama is the Olivier Nomellini Senior Fellow at Stanford University. His latest book is Liberalism and Its Discontents. He is also the author of the “Frankly Fukuyama” column, carried forward from American Purpose, at Persuasion. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Francis Fukuyama discuss what the U.S. strikes in Iran mean for global and domestic politics, to what extent Israel is risking its relationship with the United States, and why we should be concerned about AI. Podcast production by Mickey Freeland and Leonora Barclay. Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google X: @Yascha_Mounk & @JoinPersuasion YouTube: Yascha Mounk, Persuasion LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:29.9

It's funny because I kind of thought that one of Trump's big vulnerabilities is that, you know,

0:36.1

he's not a strategic thinker and, you know, he's never

0:39.9

been tested in a genuine crisis and he was not likely to come out of it looking good.

0:45.4

He could come out of this one looking pretty, you know, pretty successful.

0:52.1

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

1:00.8

My guest today is Francis Fukuyama.

1:04.1

I asked Frank to come back on the podcast to talk about the recent conflict in the Middle East, the Israeli and then the US strikes on Iran,

1:16.1

what they have accomplished, whether it is likely that the Iranian regime will fall and

1:23.3

what that might mean for the world, how this situation could potentially transform the wider

1:30.8

Middle East, and what that means for American politics. We also assess more broadly what Trump's

1:37.7

presidency looks like five months into his term. Is Trump succeeding in transforming the American state and perhaps American society?

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