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Hello and welcome to Trumpcast. I'm Virginia Heffernan. This is all my fault. I am sick. I promise I don't have tuberculosis.

Not only am I sick, but I spent the morning listening to the awesome podcast Dolly Parton's World about how Dolly Parton is this

bipartisan figure or this sort of universal solvent for human emotions,

and the podcast was so moving to me that I started to think there might one day be some reconciliation in this country.

Anyway, so late tending to my lungs and listening to this podcast that I don't have a whole lot of time to do an introduction,

but I'll let that suffice because it's a great show today with Andrew Morantz, who we've had on the show once before,

before his book came out called Anti-Social Online Extremists, Techno Utopians, and the hijacking of the American conversation.

He was on the show before talking about disruption by NeoNazis and other far-right groups online.

He's a writer for the New Yorker and he'd written a lot for the New Yorker about this. Since then, he's published this book,

which consolidates his reporting. He was actually willing to go talk to the Mike Cernovich's and Worse,

who have created the catastrophe that is contemporary Facebook, and also really gotten in our heads and moved to the conversation,

moved the Overton window way, way, way far to the right. I'm really looking forward to you all listening to this,

and I'm welcoming him right now to the studio. Andrew, thank you so much for joining me here at Brooklyn.

Thank you. Great to be here. It's good to be in the room because I can see how much your glasses repair resemblance to Roger Stone's glasses.

Oh, do you think Roger Stone's, I was going for Harry Potter. I mean, he doesn't want to look like Roger Stone. Thank you.

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