Iron and Myth 40: Rings of Revelation
A View from the Bunker
Derek Gilbert
4.8 • 528 Ratings
🗓️ 12 May 2025
⏱️ 98 minutes
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Summary
THE BOOK OF REVELATION is cryptic and complex. Supernaturally so.
Critics who write off Revelation as a hallucination have obviously not looked at the literary structure of the book. The Iron and Myth crew discusses a book by regular IaM panelist Doug Van Dorn (DouglasVanDorn.com), Rings of Revelation, that shows a level of complexity to the work of the apostle John that is beyond human.
Brian Godawa (Godawa.com) and Dr. Judd Burton (BurtonBeyond.net) join us to explore Revelation’s literary structure, thematic elements, and the interplay between supernatural and earthly realms. Doug presents a unique perspective on Revelation as a literary masterpiece, emphasizing its cyclical nature and chiastic structure.
The discussion also touches on the use of popular culture, such as Star Wars, in understanding biblical texts, and the implications of astral theology within the context of divine council. We also congratulate Doug for presenting a new take on end times prophecy in a non-contentious way, recognizing that God may have made prophecy hard to understand by design so that the fallen realm isn’t able to fabricate a convincing lie.
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| 0:00.0 | This is a view from the bunker. |
| 0:03.4 | Now, here's Derek Gilbert. |
| 0:07.6 | The Book of Revelation is cryptic and probably more so than you think. |
| 0:14.8 | And perhaps even more surprising is how we can relate this, |
| 0:18.8 | or at least the author of the book we'll be discussing on this month's Iron and Myth program to Star Wars, Star Trek, and Lord of the Rings. |
| 0:28.6 | This is going to be a ride. So hang on to your hats. Our regular panel of guests joins us, and I'm honored once again to call them my friends and to bring them onto the program. |
| 0:40.4 | First, the best-selling author and screenwriter, the author of the Chronicles of the Nephilim, Chronicles of the Watchers, Chronicles of the Apocalypse series. |
| 0:50.1 | And, well, he writes more in any week than all of us, I think, could hope to get done in the rest of our lives. |
| 0:59.4 | Brian Gadda. |
| 1:01.2 | A gentleman who we heard from last month's program, people want to hear more of. |
| 1:07.1 | In fact, one of the commenters was that Judd Burton is my cowbell. I need more cowbell. |
| 1:15.8 | Right. So, the author of interview with the giant, the founder and director of the Institute of |
| 1:21.2 | Biblical Anthropology, and host of the forthcoming Beyondcast, henceforth to be known as Dr. |
| 1:26.5 | Cowbell, Dr. Judd burton and the author of the book |
| 1:30.6 | we will be discussing this month uh the pastor of the reform baptist church of northern colorado and |
| 1:36.2 | boulder hosted the giant steps podcast uh the book by the way uh got to scroll back to make sure i get |
| 1:43.4 | the subtitle as well. |
| 1:44.5 | Rings of Revelation, the literary apocalyptic masterpiece unveiled Doug Van Dorn. |
| 1:50.4 | Gentlemen, welcome. |
| 1:55.1 | Dr. Cowbell. |
| 1:58.4 | More Cowbell. |
| 1:59.8 | The other thing that came up last week was the comment that the guy in the top right box was talking way too much. |
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