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Welcome to a very special week.

We are here with Helen Erlin. Helen is the founder of the Erlen

Center and now centers all around the world. She is an internationally recognized educator,

researcher, therapist, scholar, and expert in the area of visual perceptual problems.

She's a graduate of Cornell University.

She's been in the field of education for over 40 years.

That sort of sucks that we've done this stuff for so long.

She spent 15 years as a school psychologist and 30 years as a child and family

therapist and educational therapist. She's the founder and director of the Adult Learning

Disabilities Program, assistant professor of adult learning disabilities at Cal State Long Beach,

instructor in psychology at Cornell.

But, you know, Helen and I met, oh my goodness, it's got to be 25 years ago.

And if I remember right, you were giving a presentation at an adult ADD conference at the University of Michigan. And when I first heard about your work, I thought, oh, no, that can't be possible because

I never learned about it in medical school and I never learned about it in my general psychiatric

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