Hi and welcome to the working songwriter.

The show where today's best songwriters come to Talk Shop.

I'm your host host Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music. So,

whether you're a grizzled veteran, haggling with your merchandise supplier about a 25-cent discount on custom coosies or else a scrappy upstart,

haggling with your roommates about recording your noise rock album in the communal kitchen.

This is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an iron-clad excuse to put off actually writing.

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