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the Bess I in the world. I'm John Batser with Professor Brenda Schaefer.

Dr Schaefer at the Foundation for the Defense of democracies.

Right now, the the author Brenda Schaefer

is here for Iran is more than Persia, ethnic politics in Iran. This is a revelation about a

state that the whole of Eurasia regards as a threat.

Iran is now providing war fighting material to Russia, to attack Europe, Ukraine. In effect, not even in effect. Iran is at war with

NATO right now. So what does that mean about Iran's strength, internal strength?

I learned from read in's book that the Persians, that

Tehran Persians dominate the country in an imperial fashion that is indistinguishable from the two shas that is indistinguishable from the

sovereign powers of kings.

Brenda you you pose the democracy conundrum, that these ethnic minorities are not going to stay loyal to Tehran if there's a vote.

What is striking about this is the an additional puzzle. This is something that the

regime believes, which is why they persecute minorities, but that the opposition heretofore understood as the anti-regime opposition of say the Greens also believe this.

Please explain that.

Right. So you know, people that are looking now with this this wave of anti-regime

protests, I keep hearing analysts right and say, wow, all the minorities are in this

together. Isn't it wonderful how unified they are? Part one in part two are not necessarily the same.

I mean there are a lot of minority groups that wanted to get rid of the Soviet Union.

That doesn't mean they didn't have different agendas once you know once the Soviet Union. That doesn't mean they didn't have different

agendas once, you know, once the Soviet Union was weak or once, you know, once it

had had collapsed. So I think, I think Iran is discovering, yes, right now that

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