This is the Popular Front podcast with me Jake Hanrahan.

We're focused on the niche details of modern warfare and underreported conflict

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Today we're speaking to journalist James Henson, Pogue. He spent the last six months all across Africa investigating what PMC

Wagner is up to. If you don't already know, Wagner is the Kremlin-backed private military contractor firm mercenaries linked to the government in

Russia they've been doing all sorts all over Africa clearly they have a lot planned

James Pogue was on the ground finding out first hand. If you want to support

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I think it's no real surprise to anybody that like Wagner is kind of

digging their heels into Africa all over the place. Everybody's known that for

quite a while that's been following the kind of space.

Even people that have borderline been keeping up to date with Ukraine seem to be aware of

like Wagner now, but things are changing.

What they're doing out there is quite a little bit different from what I understand

especially since their boss man died died in a plane accident tell us about the work you've

been doing out there what's new what's been going on where you've been doing out there. What's new?

What's been going on?

Where are you been?

So yeah, there's a kind of big question of what Wagner is gonna become

or has become in the last few, let's say, since the Burgosian events.

But to start with just what I've been doing,

I actually, I was working with Granta to go,

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