Hi and welcome back to Undisclosed Toward Justice, our weekly episode.

I'm here, as always, with my colleague and co-host Colin Miller.

Hey, Colin, how you doing?

Doing great.

How about yourself?

I'm well.

I'm well.

I am very excited that we have a very special guest on this week, who I think is the first time it the first time? Maybe he's joining us, Colin? Yeah, I believe so. I believe so. Okay, and it's a big get. It's a big get for us. We're welcoming on our show this week, Jason Flom. Hi, Jason. Hi, Ravia. Hi, Colin. How you doing? Oh, we already know because you already asked you. You're still doing good. Five seconds ago, you were doing good. You're probably still doing good.

Might have changed the mood in a few seconds there, yeah.

Yeah. No, no. We are so excited to have you on. We know you have a super busy schedule. Anybody who is familiar with criminal justice, media advocacy, innocence work, I mean, Jason, you are a very well-known entity in this

space. But your career mostly was in the music industry as an executive. I mean, you were the

founder of Lava Records, but also the chairman of Atlantic Records, Virgin Records, Capital Music Group.

Then you started Lava for Good and Lava for Good for folks who know. I mean, like the brand, wrongful conviction

is your brand. You know, you're wearing the T-shirt, but that's a, it's a powerful brand,

and you've been doing it for years. And under the Lava for Good label, you have produced

so many shows around justice and law. And I am fascinated with your

story and our listeners don't know it, but I want to know how you went from being, you know,

a music producer, executive, to this work, which is not even close to being as glamorous as what

you have done most of your life.

It's kind of the opposite, I guess.

Is it really?

Oh, it's funny, Robbie, you know, many years ago, it must have been, it was before COVID, so I don't know, six years ago or so, I remember there was a week when I went down to death row in Texas on a Monday to visit Rob Will. It was the first time I visited him. We featured

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