Hey, Bankless Nation. Welcome to another state of the nation. David, you know what? I woke

up this morning, optimistic, optimistic. Yes, about this episode, okay? Because we are

talking with optimism today. We originally titled this. We'd booked this a while ago.

We had originally titled this optimism with a bunch of question marks, because we had

an inkling. We had an idea that optimism was going to launch something on the 26th of

April, which is the date of which we're recording. And indeed, just an hour or two prior to us

recording, they have launched something. David, what is the thing or the things that optimism

has launched? And what are we going to talk about today? Oh my gosh. It is a cannonball

of an announcement, which has really, I think, filled the gaps in people's brains about

what is the future of these L2s? How are these L2s going to decentralize over time? Because

that is, of course, the whole entire point of this crypto revolution is to decentralize

as much as we can, decentralize all of the infrastructure, and optimism's post introducing

the optimism collective has given, more or less, the roadmap for decentralizing optimism

and giving over responsibility, Ryan, to the community. And they have pioneered a two-house

model, a brand new system of governance, one called the citizen house, one called the

token house, and also a new model for retroactive public goods funding that's going to make the

optimism layer two a pleasant place to live. And so we are going to talk about all of these

things with the co-founders of the optimism layer two, Ben, Jing, and Carl, the most infectuously

optimistic team, I think, that exists in crypto coming up soon. After this show, right after

this show, there is a AMA hosted by the optimism team. There is a link in the show notes

to the tweet where you can get that information that is happening at 1 p.m. Pacific time,

what was that? 4 p.m. Eastern time, link in the show notes. So after we get all of the

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