Hey folks, pre here. A few weeks ago we brought you a special episode of a new podcast

we're starting for members of Cafe Insider. It's called CyberSpace, and it's hosted

by my friend, a renowned cyber and national security expert, John Carlin. Today I'm excited

to announce the official launch of the podcast. John led the Justice Department's National

Security Division under President Obama, and prior to that, served as Chief of Staff

to then FBI Director Robert Mueller. Every other Friday he'll be exploring issues at the

intersection of technology, policy, and law, with some of the most thoughtful and influential

leaders who've made an impact in the world of cyber. What follows now is my conversation

with John. He joined me to preview his podcast and give us a broad outline of the cyber threat

and the challenges created by ever-evolving technology. And if you'd like to listen to

the first episode of CyberSpace, featuring John's interview with Alex Stamos, you can do so

for free. Stamos served as the Chief Security Officer at Facebook during a crucial time,

leading the company's investigation into Russia's manipulation of the 2016 election. To listen

for free, head to cafe.com slash cyber, and we'll send you a link. That's cafe.com slash

cyber. And now here's my conversation with John Carlin.

John Carlin, welcome back to the show. Yeah, it's great to be back.

So we had you on about a year and a half ago. Not much has happened since then, I think.

No, it's pretty much the same. Very static. Very static country in every respect. But

one reason we had you on was to talk about your book Dawn of the Code War. You're not

working on a second book, are you? No, I think I might be one and done. We'll see.

No, you'll do others, but you're going to be doing this podcast. So I want to ask you

why you've agreed to do this podcast, because I think it's very important. One theory

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