Through a series of interviews of our colleagues and friends, you'll find out what happens

behind the scenes of the most notorious cases and the infamous ones.

Welcome to Best Case Worsecare. This is your host, Jim Clementi, retired FBI profiler,

and co-host, Francie Hakes, former federal prosecutor.

And that was very difficult for her to testify. She was 10 years old, she had to go into the courtroom,

swear to tell the truth, sit in the witness stand and stare at her father.

This is a horrible case, horrible because an innocent man was killed by the police department

who thought they were protecting the community. And I remember thinking they have murdered an

unarmed man. Absolutely, and that's what I thought until I learned the fact.

As soon as I opened that trunk, I mean the decal position smell was, well it was, it was human decal.

This tells me that there's a level of planning, but not great planning, low criminal sophistication

in this case. Yeah, no, she was a great liar. I mean she just, she wasn't just a pathological

liar, she was a great liar. He's never getting out. I call that, as listeners may already know,

I call that a pine box sentence because he's coming out of federal prison and a pine box.

And the kid immediately knew like this guy was trouble.

I don't think people who kill are thinking about repercussions.

The punishment is taking away their freedom. That's the punishment. The retribution side of it

is not only infantile, it is, it is just absurd when you're thinking about a state or a country

having retribution against one of its citizens that has broken the law.

When an offender on death row awaits 20 and 25 years to be executed,

I don't know that it has a deterrent effect on anyone.

Well, your system can't work unless it takes 20 or 30 years.

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