You're listening to the Allender Center podcast with Dr. Dan Allender. This week, Dan is joined by Dr. Derek McNeil, senior vice president of academics at the Seattle School. To talk about Luke 22, 24 through 34, Dan and Derek reflect on the category of resilience and on how our ongoing growth requires

that we face both our capacity for betrayal and the ways we have been betrayed.

Well, I have, again, an extraordinary privilege to work with, I think, my best boss I've ever had.

That's sweet. That's a sweet way to begin.

Well, Dr. Derek McNeil, the academic dean, the vice president of academic affairs, which I think is one of the

strangest freaking titles you can't get.

It's not a singular one.

Let's put it this way.

I've seen way too many academic affairs.

And so the vice president of that may be against it.

But nonetheless, I think of you,

Farmore, is just both a dear friend,

but also a man I am so proud to work for.

So thank you.

Thank you, thank you.

It really is a pleasure sitting.

We haven't sat down for a little while.

I know, it's been a while,

and at least I get you for a little

after this as well. Yeah, which would be fun. Many questions to be asked, but you picked a

passage that is, if somebody had asked me to do this for everything, before the living God,

I would have picked exactly this passage. Interesting. Yeah, it's one of my favorite in all of Scripture.

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