This is exactly right.

I'm Kate Winkler-Dawson. I'm a journalist who spent the last 25 years writing about true crime.

And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator who's worked some of America's most complicated cases and solve them.

Each week, I present Paul with one of history's most compelling true crimes.

And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new insights to old mysteries.

Together, using our individual expertise, we're examining historical true crime cases through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved and some are cold, very cold. This is buried bones.

Music Hey, Paul.

Hi, Kate. How are you?

I'm doing great. You know, I want to talk about our backgrounds because I've definitely had some people

message me and ask about different things in my background, but we've never talked about your

background. What's in your background? Is there anything weird or significant?

Well, you know, behind me is my bookshelf, and it contains most of the books that I read throughout my career.

Some of them are academic texts. Some of them are your true crime.

You know, a lot of the paperback stuff is the true crime, you know, stories on various cases.

And I've been somewhat changing it up. I don't know if

anybody's noticed it, but, you know, one of the things, you know, over to my left, I have

another little bookshelf. And I had hidden away, you know, probably one of the most

significant books to my career, which is this one here up to my left, sexual homicide

patterns and motives. And this is the academic text for the Netflix series Mind Hunter.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, so when the FBI was going around interviewing the caught serial killers,

they compiled all of that into this book. And my parents actually gave me

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