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Into the Woods, From Chestnut Genetics To Tiny Forests

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Science Friday and WNYC Studios

Science, Life Sciences, Wnyc, Natural Sciences, Friday

4.46.3K Ratings

🗓️ 27 February 2026

⏱️ 18 minutes

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Summary

Genetic research could speed the restoration of the American chestnut tree. Plus, "rewilding" small spaces with fast-growing miniforests.

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0:00.0

Hi, I'm Iraflato, and you're listening to Science Friday. Today on the podcast, to paraphrase Sondheim, we go into the woods.

0:12.4

First, an update on efforts to restore the American chestnut. These trees once towered over the landscape, dominating forests in parts of the eastern U.S.

0:22.6

They provided food for people and animals, and they were a hugely valuable source of lumber.

0:29.5

But in the late 1800s, a fungal blight in the U.S. virtually wiped out the American chestnut plants across the country.

0:37.6

Streets once lined with beautiful trees went bare. And due to the blight, the species now

0:43.6

exist mainly as a shrubby plant, not as a towering tree. But new genetic work could help

0:50.5

speed up breeding efforts to add fungal resistance to create a heartier chestnut population.

0:56.8

Joining me now is Jared Westbrook. He's director of science for the American Chestnut Foundation.

1:02.7

Welcome to Science Friday. Hello, Ira. Nice to have you. We've talked about chestnut restoration efforts.

1:10.0

How long has it been going on?

1:11.9

Where does the project now stand?

1:14.7

So chestnut restoration in the U.S. has been going on since the 1920s.

1:19.4

And people have tried a lot of different things.

1:22.6

First, the trees got the blight originally from imported Chinese and Japanese chestnuts that were brought over,

1:30.4

and they had the blight pathogen on these trees.

1:34.0

And the Japanese and the Chinese chestnuts actually are interfertile when you cross them and breed them with American chestnuts.

1:40.5

So the early efforts were in hybridization between the Asian species and the American species.

1:47.0

With the American Chestnut Foundation breeding program, we've been doing this for 40 years.

1:53.0

And we have been doing this program called Backcrossing, where we take the Chinese and the American hybrids and we cross them back to a lot of

2:02.5

different surviving wild trees. People tell us, oh, there's a flowering tree near the side of the road,

2:08.1

and we then give them pollen from some of our hybrid trees that we've selected for having

2:14.0

improved blight resistance, and then they have bred those hybrids with diverse American

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