Interviews with Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Jim Jordan; Democratic Sen. Mark Kelly; Former National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan

State of the Union

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🗓️ 12 October 2025

⏱️ 41 minutes

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On CNN’s State of the Union, Dana Bash presses House Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Jim Jordan over President Trump pressure on the Justice Department to go after his political opponents. They also discuss ICE’s aggressive tactics and Trump firing federal workers en masse. Next, Democratic Sen. Mark Kelly sits down with Dana to discuss Democrat’s strategy as the shutdown stretches into its second week. Then, former Biden National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan joins Dana to react to the potentially historic ceasefire-hostage in Gaza and what’s next for the Middle East. Finally, CNN Senior Political Commentator Scott Jennings, CNN Political Commentator Jamal Simmons, former State Department official Nayyera Haq, and foreign policy analyst Rebeccah Heinrichs discuss Trump’s success negotiating peace abroad while sowing discord here at home. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Phase one. After two years of war and suffering, the world waits for a historic handover.
0:12.3	What's the state of the hostages and war-torn Gaza? Could President Trump change history?
0:17.9	This is beyond Gaza. This is peace in the Middle East.
0:20.6	Former national security advisor Jake Sullivan is ahead.
0:23.6	And out for revenge.
0:25.6	The president's retribution campaign nets a second political foe, as attorneys work through the weekend
0:32.6	on another.
0:33.6	His only goal is political retribution at any cost.
0:36.6	Will that backfire in court?
0:38.7	House Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan is next.
0:42.2	And deep cut.
0:43.6	Thousands of federal workers fire as Trump turns the screws on the shutdown.
0:48.9	Who will pay?
0:49.7	They control all three parts of the government.
0:51.9	Why don't they work with us?
0:52.9	Senator Mark Kelly is here live,
0:55.4	and our panel breaks it all down. Hello, I'm Dan Abash in Washington, where the state of our
1:06.6	union is hopeful. We expect to see a Red Cross caravan in Gaza start to move within hours
1:13.0	as Hamas begins to surrender the 48 remaining hostages back to Israel after two years of brutal
1:19.7	captivity. And in Gaza City, Palestinians were returning home alongside hundreds of aid trucks.
1:26.2	As the ceasefire deal arranged by President Trump
1:29.3	moves forward, this afternoon the president will head to the Middle East to celebrate the deal.
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