It's out of order. We hit this, like, you are Gordon Hayward. I am, of course, Timothy J. Gordon,

Parish Orphins and Retrogrades. It's an honor to do a Gordon-on-Gordon interview.

There we go. Sounds a little weird. This is a one-time NBA All-Star who had an amazing NBA career

and who's gotten headlines that a lot of Catholics who don't follow sports might have heard about more recently because he came into the church

and has met the Pope and things like that.

We're gonna be talking about the whole gamut today,

but it's a real honor to have you, Gordon.

How are you doing, bro?

I'm good, thank you for having me.

This is, I feel like part of my calling of being in the NBA and,

you know, going and talking on shows like yours and just helped spreading the word a little bit.

I feel like it's what I was called to do. It seems, it seems that way. I was thinking about your

situation a lot last night as I watched the podcast P that you did with Paul George.

And I was thinking about some of the things that you said.

I think that was about 18 months old that interview you did with Paul George.

And I was thinking of a lot of the things that you said, the answers you gave to P

to Paul George in the context of things that have happened in the last

18 months well let me let me just list those things that have happened in your life in the last

18 months I think you're expecting your fourth kid now now you're expecting your fifth

that might be a change you yeah we had we had we had already had fourth but now certainly

expecting that okay so so yeah you you got an extra kid out of the deal you're a all girl

plus one boy family as of right now which is what we are with seven but you retired from the

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