Interview with Julia Ebner: Extremist Networks & Radicalisation

Decoding the Gurus

Christopher Kavanagh and Matthew Browne

Science, Leisure, Social Sciences, Society & Culture

4.2 • 1.1K Ratings

🗓️ 16 October 2023

⏱️ 124 minutes

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Summary

On this week's episode, we have an extended interview with author and researcher, Julia Ebner. Julia is a Senior Resident Research Fellow at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue and has written a series of books exploring the social dynamics of extremist networks, including The Rage: the Vicious Circle of Islamist and Far-Right Extremism, Going Dark: the Secret Social Lives of Extremists, and most recently Going Mainstream: How Extremists Are Taking Over.

Julia also recently completed her DPhil at Oxford's Centre for Studies of Social Cohesion and has been developing novel linguistic analyses to help identify the psychological indicators of violence in extremist material and manifestos. She has also endured publishing some papers with our resident cognitive anthropologist.

In the podcast, we cover a range of topics from the factors impacting radicalisation, Julia's time working for Maajid Nawaz's organisation, the psychology of conspiracy theories, and her experiences as an undercover investigator.

Also on this week's episode, we dive into a recent episode of the DarkHorse to explore the Alex Jones' level conspiracies that Bret and Heather have recently been promoting about the horrific events in Israel. You might imagine it would be difficult to make such a tragic event about COVID dissidents and vaccines but if so you are underestimating the InfoHorse hosts.

For a palette cleanser enjoy an extended review-of-reviews and some marathon shoutouts.

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0:00.0	You're going to. So, Hello and welcome to Dakota Nogurus.
0:25.0	Podcast, we're a psychologist and an anthropologist.
0:31.0	Listen to the greatest minds the world has to offer, and we try and understand what they're talking about.
0:36.0	I'm Professor Matthew Brown and with me is Associate Professor Chris Kavanaugh.
0:41.0	Welcome to Dakota G Naguaries.
0:43.0	I already said that.
0:44.0	Welcome, Chris.
0:46.0	Well, welcome, Matt.
0:48.0	Is this a ASMR?
0:53.4	If so, I've just ruined that for everyone.
0:55.9	If, well, I'm out of it.
0:58.2	My voice is not for ASMR.
1:01.6	No, nobody wants to imagine a middle-aged man's lips, smacking.
1:05.0	But sorry, you have, so my apologies.
1:09.8	Dylan Moran, Dylan Moran, I should get it right.
1:14.0	You should be able to get that right.
1:15.0	The average media.
1:17.0	If nothing else, Chris, you should be able to get that right.
1:20.0	Anyway, yes.
1:21.0	He described the German language as sounding like a typewriter full of
1:27.2	tin foil being kicked down the stairs or something like that, but I think that's
1:31.4	also a fairly accurate representation of the Northern Irish accent.
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