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Decoding the Gurus

Andrew Huberman and Peter Attia: Self-enhancement, supplements & doughnuts?

Decoding the Gurus

Christopher Kavanagh and Matthew Browne

Science, Leisure, Social Sciences, Society & Culture

4.21.1K Ratings

🗓️ 9 November 2023

⏱️ 193 minutes

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Summary

In a kind of meta cross-over with our Decoding Academia series, we're going to decode a journal club discussion between two well-known health optimisers: Dr. Peter Attia and Dr. Andrew Huberman. So you get to listen to two academics talk about two other academics talk about academic papers... we know...

We've already been introduced to the bulging biceps and morning sun-drenched routines of Huberman elsewhere but this is our first introduction to Peter Attia, MD. Attia is a former ultra-endurance athlete and a physician in the field of longevity and performance, a podcaster (who isn't amirite?!?) and author of "Outlive: The Science And Art Of Longevity".

Attia introduces us to a paper that casts doubt on the supposed general life-extending properties of a diabetes drug called Metformin. This is a drug that is apparently very well known in the biohacker/life extension communities and one that Attia administered to himself for a number of years despite the rather preliminary evidence. This is the first of many indicators that both gentlemen are certainly on the bleeding edge of self-medicating experimentation, doggedly pursuing the elusive goals of huge pectoral muscles, minds that laugh at the concept of cognitive decline, and bodies that will live... well for a lot longer than Matt and Chris!

We get to hear about week-long starvation regimes, medications that take the edge of pizza and doughnut binges, dealing with month-long nausea from self-dosing experimental treatments, and frequent prick-blood tests all for the sake of optimising, optimising, optimising...

Huberman's paper (a preprint, actually) falls more into the "big, if true" category - although he seems fairly confident himself. Does *believing* you are getting a treatment generate the relevant physiological and neurological effects in the body that could mean we can bypass the need for certain pharmacological substances entirely, including some vaccines?!? Based on the results of a small-N, fMRI study that reports mixed results, Huberman muses... maybe! Or how about those other small-N studies, with p-values hovering suspiciously close to 0.05 that report other counterintuitive findings? We will leave it to Huberman to explain.

But the bad stuff aside, Huberman and Attia (especially Attia) actually do a pretty decent job talking about how to approach research papers and some of the pros and cons of different approaches. Chris and Matt thus have ample opportunities to give credit where credit's due and demonstrate that they are the fair-minded souls everyone knows them to be!

In any case, it's an interesting peak into an alternative health optimiser world. It seems to be a rather "serious" hobby a bit like body modification or tattoos. But who are we to judge? Matt likes cultivating succulent plants and Chris is into eating sushi in lush forests. So biohacking, self-experimentation for longevity? Well, at least it's an ethos.

Also featuring, an introduction that covers Irish history, the most humble guru in the gurusphere, and our very own theory of guru cringeosity!

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0:00.0

You're going to go. So, Hello and a psychologist listen to the greatest minds the world has to offer and we try to

0:33.7

understand what they're talking about. I'm Professor Matt Brown, Chris Kavanagh is my

0:37.8

co-host. Welcome Chris, now we start the podcast. I forget how my spiel ends. Like I've just it's so I've noticed

0:50.1

that yeah cognitive decline it's it's horrifying to witness in person but I know I've

0:56.4

done it too many times that's all right that should make it that should make it into norm

1:02.4

of memory you should be you know just able to read it off but you would think so wouldn't you

1:08.4

yeah you got too comfortable that's your problem you. You're too relaxed now. That's true.

1:15.0

Before there was a frisjon attention now like, ah, whatever.

1:19.0

I know where I can do with my eyes closed. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I'll tell people why we are here, but first, Matt, I have a little surprise clip to play for you.

1:33.2

It's from someone we barely mentioned,

1:35.0

so you probably even forget who he is

1:37.8

when you'll hear it.

1:38.9

But let's see if you can work out who it is

1:42.2

and what the issue is with this clip. I'll keep it very vague for you so just here you

1:50.0

you go. All right a test. But there's a piece of the story that haunts me,

1:56.0

and it will probably sound arrogant for me to describe it,

2:00.0

but I'm going to do it anyway because it's later than we think.

2:06.0

You'll remember that in the Hitchhiker's guide,

2:11.0

the Earth is actually a sophisticated computer designed to discover the meaning of life, the universe, and everything, after the initial computer that was designed to do this after I think thousands of years

2:26.7

spit out an insane answer which was 42 which didn't mean anything and then

2:31.2

when asked to explain it it said well what was the question?

2:34.7

So the Earth was the 2.0 version of the investigator for what is the meaning of life, the

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