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Players must be over 18, S&S opting required, turn supply, please play safely. Welcome to mysterious circumstances everybody and we have a good

episode for you today it's a great interview I finally get to talk to Dale

Julian the notorious infamous often had a Dale Julin, I know.

And it's so I've been waiting to get you on because me and Jen both collectively have gotten so much grief for

for your work on the Zodiac. Thank you. You're welcome. I am also joined here by

Jen Buekolts and all of you guys know her she's been on the show several times

We work on cases together with AMU

She's been on Safehaven several times as well and yeah, welcome back Jen

Absolutely, thanks for having me. I'm really excited about the three of us having a nice conversation about Dale's very hard work through the past what eight years or so.

Absolutely. And thank you for having me Justin I appreciate it.

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