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La, la, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, great coquel here.

And I just, after all these years, I hear that chicken, and it's actually me, but it still sounds bizarre, so I get a chuckle out of it.

Thanks for being part of our show today, and I have with me on the show one of my favorite young guns, and he's a great apologist and a very dear friend, Sean McDowell.

Sean, thanks for coming back on the show again.

Anytime, love it, and always look forward to it.

And you look really spiffy today.

I do have a Spider-Man shirt on.

Well, you got your sport, you got this nice, classy kind of sport coat.

Spider-Man, that's, you know, you never remove those.

You probably sleep in that, shower in that, whatever. You know, that's a Sean McDowell thing. You know, we got Spider-Man on one side, Biola, and the other. He's got the graphics and his deal. So anyway, that's really cool. That's part of your personality. But I love what you have done over the last 20 years. I actually, I think we've known each other longer than that from

the Biola days and the Talbot days and so many things we've done together and you've partnered

with us at Standar Reasons in so many things. And it's just great. And you've been on many times

with, I don't know how you can write so much, frankly, Sean. I can't keep up with that.

But good for you.

And what you've done is you have taken an older work and you've refreshed it a bit.

When was it?

Was it six, seven years ago when we talked together about the fate of the apostles, the book that you did?

How long ago was that?

So I graduated in 2014 in winter and did my dissertation on the fate of the apostles.

Your PhD dissertation. My PhD dissertation. Right. The next year I published the first volume,

and I trimmed it, adapted it a little bit in 2015. So 2025 is the 10-year update to this.

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