Hi there, this is Abel James with Fat Burning Man.com, and thanks so much for listening.

Today I'm stoked to be here with Richard Nikolai of Free of the Animal, and Richard is one of the leading voices in the paleo community, and also an inspiring figure.

Richard and I cover everything from how food manufacturers

and major institutions use secret handshakes to sell people absolute crap to why organ meats

kicked the tar out of fortified grains and the relative benefits of eating like a caveman.

Are you ready? Cool. Here we go. Richard, thanks so much for joining us. Oh, it's a pleasure.

You're a very entertaining blogger.

I love your blog over at free-theanimal.com and you're an inspiring figure to boot.

Tipping the scale at about 240 and over 33% body fat, you decided to do something about it.

And you issued the standard American diet, went paleo, lost 60 pounds, and gained a heck

of a lot of strength, too, as I understand.

Yeah, I did.

And I haven't, because of a neck injury, I've been not at the gym nearly as much this

year.

I've had to take it easy.

But, you know, the thing is, if you keep the

protein up, you keep the muscle mass, you know, you don't, it's not like, oh my God, if I

don't go to the gym and work out two times a week, I'm going to lose my muscle. No, you need

to eat protein. Right. Yeah, I was floored by when that happened in my experience. I actually went

without lifting for about a month and I hardly lost any muscle at all, but I did lose fat. I was really

surprised by that. I even went on a Caribbean cruise and I mean, you probably know what happens on

those things. You just eat yourself to death almost

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