As you're moving forward, it is in a straight line.

And so what you think to be moving backwards might just be the way the humans learn, right?

Kids go from walking to crawling.

And so to be easy on yourself about your learning process and be appreciative of those moments that you are learning.

This helps integration out more than anything else.

Welcome to the art of accomplishment, where we explore how deepening connection with ourselves and others leads to creating the life we want with enjoyment and ease.

I'm Brett Kistler, here today with my co-host, Joe Hudson.

If you do much of Joe's work, chances are good that you will have a transformational experience.

You may suddenly recognize some pattern you've played out over and over again in your life

and find the ability to step out of it. These types of experiences have changed lives,

but we know that the moment of

epiphany is not the end of the story. When you return to your life after a profound

breakthrough, you may experience feelings of confusion, being lost, or even being unmoored from

everything that once grounded you. That's why integration is so important when doing this work.

Joe, what is a transformative experience?

Yeah, that's a great question.

The funny thing is, when I was listening to your introduction, you talked about an epiphany.

And I think there's, it's really important to distinguish between epiphany and transformation.

So with epiphany, epiphany is kind of a recognition of a belief system that offers you relief.

So it's like you understand something.

There's this click in your system.

And there's this relief that occurs.

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