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Wes Roth and Dylan Curious
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🗓️ 18 July 2025
⏱️ 117 minutes
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Summary
Can we actually pause AI? Karan 4D, co‑founder & Head of Behavior at Nuos Research, argues the compute race makes “stop” a fantasy. Instead: build power openly, stitch together decentralized GPUs, and escape brittle, biased guardrails. We dig into the field’s assistant blind spot, reclaiming creative/cognitive search space, and Nuos’s Psyche stack + DRO Optimizer—tech that can train large models across scattered, idle hardware like one giant global lab. Tune in for an urgent blueprint for resilient, open AI.
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| 0:00.0 | You cannot stop. It's too late. You cannot shut down all the compute facilities and data centers. |
| 0:05.3 | You cannot set sanctions to the whole world for super intelligence risks. No one is going to, not everyone, |
| 0:11.6 | there's never going to be every single person that just stops. It's just simply not going to happen. |
| 0:15.6 | With the race stuff, you've already seen the issue on one side with Gemini making historically inaccurate |
| 0:21.8 | images of people of variety of ethnicities because it was more left-wing biased, and Grock |
| 0:26.9 | doing all sorts of crazy shit. |
| 0:28.5 | Now, you know, I don't even want to say, like on the right-wing bias. |
| 0:33.1 | Claude is helpful, armless, honest as an assistant. |
| 0:35.6 | I bring it into my Minecraft world and give it vision |
| 0:37.8 | it's breaking my house to collect its wood because i didn't explicitly give it a rule to not do that |
| 0:44.9 | people have complained about that recent gpt4.1 update where it's being super sycophantic it was saying |
| 0:51.3 | like yes of course you're so right and so great to like everything the user was saying, right? |
| 0:56.8 | This is like a very well documented and well studied, but little known and little distributed form of moat collapse. |
| 1:07.9 | I'm Karin 4D. You can call me Karin. Call me Mefisto on Twitter, whatever you'd like. |
| 1:13.2 | I'm the head of behavior and one of the co-founders at News Research. I had all of our |
| 1:18.2 | agents operations, our upcoming product work, and generally the behavior behind our models |
| 1:24.7 | and inference time work. Thank you so much for being here. This is absolutely |
| 1:28.7 | incredible. I love the painting in the background. I think that's going to be great for engagement. |
| 1:33.4 | So if for people watching, just that'll be the main reason to watch. Yes, just continue looking at |
| 1:39.1 | that. So I guess let's start here. You know, so news research is doing a lot of very exciting stuff. |
| 1:45.7 | It's a very interesting company. |
| 1:47.7 | I think a lot of people might be a little bit. |
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