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The Michael Steele Podcast

Inside the Movement to Destroy American Democracy (with Katherine Stewart)

The Michael Steele Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, Government, History, News

4.83.1K Ratings

🗓️ 27 March 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Michael Steele speaks with Katherine Stewart, an expert on religious nationalism and the assault on American democracy, about her book, "Money, Lies, and God: Inside the Movement to Destroy American Democracy." The pair discuss the roles of various groups, such as wealthy funders and Christian nationalist movement leaders to subvert democracy. They also discuss Pete Hegseth's Signal group chat, the abuse of power in the Church and the urgent need for citizens to defend democratic principles.

Check out her latest book, Money, Lies and God here: https://www.amazon.com/Money-Lies-God-Movement-Democracy/dp/163557854X

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forward slash business to speak to the team. You know, listen, the radical right did not wait

0:32.9

for the Republican Party to do what they wanted. They formed organizations apart from the Republican Party,

0:39.5

and they eventually took it over. And I think that more Americans would prefer to live in a democracy,

0:47.3

if they fully understood what it delivers, then kleptocratic autocracy with authoritarian and theocratic features.

0:55.9

The right, when they lost in 2020, they didn't roll over.

0:59.5

They did things we would never want to do, like spread lies and incite political violence at the Capitol.

1:05.4

We wouldn't want to do that.

1:06.5

But they also got out their base and they went after low propensity voters.

1:19.6

Hey folks, Michael Steele here.

1:21.6

This is going to be a very special conversation today because it opens up some insights into narratives that we see

1:29.6

playing out across the country, Trump administration, out of the Project 2025 sphere,

1:36.9

some of the folks inside the various efforts to undermine our democracy and to establish

1:43.3

a theocracy, a kleptocracy, an authoritarian regime,

1:48.3

all of those pieces.

1:49.4

So Catherine Stewart has been covering religious nationalism and the assault on American democracy

1:55.7

for 16 years now.

1:58.3

She is the author of the very important book, The Power Worshippers, Inside the

2:03.7

the Dangerous Rise of Religious Nationalism, the award-winning book upon which the documentary

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