Today on the Grave Talks, what's on the other side?

A conversation with Rick Hale.

Well, first off, this is a memory that I will, that is burned into my brain for all time. Like I will never forget why this is, why I am involved in this field.

When I was eight years old, I was staying the weekend with my cousin at my grandparents'

house in Franklin Park, Illinois.

Now for people who don't know where Franklin Park, Illinois is, Franklin Park is a large town

on the northwest side of Chicago.

So, you know, I am, I'm sorry, my dog is parking.

I am very much a Chicago native.

My co-host on my show, he never lets me forget that by constantly making fun of my accident.

But so late one night, my cousin and I, we had just got done watching a Cubs game.

And it was in September of 1982.

Of course, they lost because that's what the Cubs do.

But we love them anyways.

Sure.

And so my cousin had already fallen asleep, and I've always been very much a night owl, even as a little kid.

So, you know, for people who don't know what these old flats look like in Franklin Park or in the Chicago land area, you have the front room and then you have a long haul that leads off towards the back.

And that's where you, you know, you find like bedrooms in the kitchen and all that.

It was a very old building.

I think it was like 150 years old at the time.

So my grandmother always left the bathroom light on for us kids because this long hallway did not have a light in it. So I had to, I got up and I had to use the bathroom.

So I'm walking towards the bathroom and I see the light.

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